Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond PDF Print E-mail
Written by Joe Pluta   
Sunday, 09 October 2005

Contrary to some reports, RPG is far from dead; in fact, it's got a lot of support, especially at IBM.



"The news of my death has been greatly exaggerated."
--Samuel Clemens

If RPG were a person, it would have a lot of sympathy for Sam Clemens these days. RPG has been a dead language for decades, it seems. It's even been given that most horrible of epitaphs: "legacy." "Legacy" programming languages are kind of like "classic" rock: stuff old people listen to and certainly not hip enough for the new generation. But you know something? I personally think classic rock stands the test of time. From Aerosmith to Zeppelin, classic rock will probably be listened to long after 99% of the current batch of manufactured boy bands and wannabe gangsta rappers are forgotten history. Quality workmanship by people who were in it for the love of the business will always outshine glitzy eye candy produced strictly for profit. Think of RPG as the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or the Beach Boys--good, fundamental work year in and year out for decades. Then think of .Net as 'NSync or the Spice Girls: pretty, fluffy, and without substance; easy to use, easy to forget; a guilty pleasure that you will look back on a few years from now and wonder what you saw in it.

In this column, I'll tell you why RPG is the once and future business language and how IBM is proving it every day. I'll show you what WDSC brings to the table for RPG programmers, and I'll tell you about the most important additions to the language, as told by the people who actually write the compilers!

RPG: Built for Business

RPG is built for business. Common sense tells us that a good, solid language with fast, simple database access integrated into the runtime will perform better than a one-size-fits-all interface built by a committee. But common sense doesn't stop IT from embracing the latest fad. Today, if it ain't new, it ain't good. And that doesn't even apply, because as we'll see later in the article, much of RPG is quite new; RPG is evolving as fast as or faster than any language out there, and the bulk of that effort has been focused on allowing us to build powerful business engines instead of wasting time in the endless UI wars (does anybody remember Struts?). And yet even in our own community (in fact, in our very own MC Press forums), some vocal naysayers insist that RPG is dead. They use all kinds of arguments, such as the number of jobs on Dice.com or the fact that colleges aren't teaching RPG. They do this while conveniently forgetting that historically RPG programmers didn't get their jobs by going to a headhunter after getting a computer science degree; typically, they got their training on the job, often moving from production roles to IT.

The big myth is that there will be no new RPG programmers. This is just silly. Why? Because the number of lines of RPG aren't being reduced in any great number. Some are getting replaced, but remember that there are billions of lines of RPG code out there, and they're not being replaced anywhere near as fast as the self-proclaimed experts said they would be. Remember back in the late '90s when all we heard was that vast numbers of companies were tossing out their IBM midranges and migrating from RPG to Java or some other architecture? Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a corresponding number of success stories? You'd think that companies (or at least their migration vendors) would talk up the great success and terrific cost-savings of these ventures, and yet we're not hearing such stories. In fact, I don't remember the last successful conversion I heard of. And that's because RPG is simply the best language for business logic, and that's why RPG will continue to be around for many, many years to come.

So you do the math. If the number of RPG programs isn't going down that much and the number of programmers is, then the supply and demand model starts to kick in. As the number of RPG programmers begins to dip, the premium on their services will go up. Demand will outstrip supply, and RPG programmers will begin to find themselves moving toward the high end of the scale. And when that happens, all the mercenary programmers who hopped on the .Net or Java bandwagons will all start looking at RPG as the next new phenomenon. And unlike the rather steep learning curve required to learn Java, RPG is a very easy language to pick up--and /free makes it even easier for those with a background in the C syntax. I predict that sometime in the next five years, the number of Java programmers learning RPG will surpass the number of RPG programmers learning Java.

You might argue that rising RPG labor costs will push IT managers to dump their RPG systems in favor of prepackaged Wintel server-farm solutions. A few years ago, I might have been worried about that, but the fact that IBM is actively fighting the server farm model (I love the commercial with the guy who says the servers are there to serve them) gives me hope. It's been clear for several years now that server farms are a poor architecture for most business applications. They're great for things like user interface front-ends and massively parallel processing such as weather forecasting, but they fail miserably for business applications in which the database is the most important thing. But even so, it's hard for an IT manager to stand firm against the onslaught of Microsoft misinformation; today's corporate society isn't geared for the guy pointing out that the emperor is naked; thus, the move to server farms was often undertaken despite clear but unsexy evidence against it.

But with IBM advertising for server consolidation, server farms are no longer the media darling. In fact, they've lost considerable luster as total cost of ownership and ease of management start to get more importance than initial costs, and with the recent price reductions, even the initial price point issue is softened. All of this combines to once again position the iSeries as a premier solution, making it that much harder to justify dumping something that works for something that is no longer a sure bet. In fact, I see server farms as having already peaked, because custom software doesn't work very well with the server farm model. So server farms really only make sense with pre-packaged software. However, if you look at it from a realistic cost/benefit standpoint, the Application Service Provider (ASP) model (or what we used to call "service bureaus" back in prehistoric times) will often be a better fit for those companies that can run on pre-configured software. Even in those shops that use them, server farms will be relegated to user interface servers and EIS queries, with RPG providing the back-end processing. Once you get past the smoke and mirrors, server farms have a relatively small niche that's getting smaller every day.

WDSC Proves the Point

Meanwhile, IBM has been pouring money into the iSeries and its flagship language, RPG. In my previous "Weaving WebSphere" column, I stated: "Unfortunately, I haven't found anything in WDSC6 for RPG programmers." And while that's strictly true, you must take it in context, along with the subsequent statement: "As it turns out, I think perhaps the 5.1.2 release was something of a shakeout for the new features. These features were then wrapped in Eclipse 3.0 and released as WDSC6."

I still contend that this is the case, and I think it makes sense to take a closer look at just what some of those features are. Back in June, I noted several features, including the outline, the code assist feature, the fixed-format prompting, and the built-in conversion from fixed- to free-format.

Wizards

These are only a few of the features that WDSC provides. One set of goodies I left out of my last column were the wizards. Currently, three wizards exist for generating source: the procedure wizard, the D-spec wizard, and the Java method call wizard. With varying degrees of user-friendliness, these wizards can remove a lot of the drudge work involved with performing certain mundane tasks.

The procedure wizard allows you to specify the parameters of a procedure and then automatically generates both the prototype and the procedure definition in your code. Figures 1A and 1B show a typical use of the wizard: creating a procedure with three parameters. Each parameter is added using a second wizard panel. It's not perfect; you can't use LIKE to define parameters, which really bugs me. And once you've got a catalog of code to work from and you've developed your own style, simply cutting and pasting your own existing code will probably be faster than using the wizard. But especially when you're just getting acquainted to RPG IV, it's really a great way to make sure you get your syntax correct. I only wish I'd had this when I was learning procedures and prototypes.

http://www.mcpressonline.com/articles/images/2002/051002%20-%20WDSC6%20RPG%20ToolingV4--10100500.png

Figure 1A: The procedure wizard allows you to define a procedure. (Click images to enlarge.)

     D*--------------------------------------------------
     D* Procedure name: FormatFullName
     D* Purpose:        Uses the individual name fields to build a full name
     D* Returns:        
     D* Parameter:      First
     D* Parameter:      Middle
     D* Parameter:      Last
     D*--------------------------------------------------
     D FormatFullName  PR         
     D  First                        30A   
     D  Middle                        1A   
     D  Last                         30A   

     P*--------------------------------------------------
     P* Procedure name: FormatFullName
     P* Purpose:        Uses the individual name fields to build a full name
     P* Returns:        
     P* Parameter:      First
     P* Parameter:      Middle
     P* Parameter:      Last
     P*--------------------------------------------------
     P FormatFullName  B                           
     D FormatFullName  PI         
     D  First                        30A   
     D  Middle                        1A   
     D  Last                         30A   
     
 
      /FREE
 
       // Your calculation code goes here
 
      /END-FREE
     P FormatFullName  E                           

Figure 1B: This is the code that was generated by the wizard in Figure 1.

And there are other wizards. The D-spec wizard is deceptively simple. With it, you can create a D-specification with all the proper keywords in a standard way. But hidden under the covers is the ability to create an entire program status data structure with just a few keystrokes. Sure, it creates fields I don't need, but it's no problem to go in and delete them. You can use a similar wizard to create file information data structures. I'll never again have to remember (or look up) the fact that the AID byte is in position 369 of the information data structure.

The Java method call wizard is a prime example of a wizard that you might use for prototyping but that you should probably avoid for actual production code, at least in this version. The wizard does a lot of work, and not all of it is either necessary or even always correct. For example, it builds a constructor for the class whose method you are calling. However, it builds only the default constructor with no parameters. It's just as likely that you might use a constructor with one or more parameters, so this default is a little constricting. Also, the wizard generates the code that calls the method but nothing that calls the constructor. Finally, if you add another call to another method in the same class, things such as the constructor definition are duplicated.

The wizards are quite powerful, but they still have a way to go. For example, one thing I don't like is that the wizards are "output only"; you use them to generate a data structure or a field, but you can't then reuse the wizard to modify that definition. I write code generators for a living, so I recognize that such round-trip management is really difficult, but it sure would be nice.

Verify

The program verifier is another really powerful feature of the WDSC tool. Even though it's been around since the first days of WDSC, many people still don't know about it. The verify option allows you to basically perform a compile without going to the host. It doesn't create an object, either, so in effect it works like a CRTxxx OPTION(*NOGEN), except that it is much faster. And if you do have errors, you can then have them inserted into your source code at the appropriate locations so that you can see the error in context. It's a powerful way to find and fix syntax errors.

http://www.mcpressonline.com/articles/images/2002/051002%20-%20WDSC6%20RPG%20ToolingV4--10100501.png

Figure 2: Errors from the verifier can be embedded in your source code for context.

Other Features

I can go on. If I had enough space, I'd go into detail about the many other features, large and small, in WDSC. These include things like the ability to copy a rectangular block of text; this is crucial in ILE RPG programs where you are moving many fields from one structure to another. By using qualified names, you can do some very clever things with field names. The rectangular copy allows you to get around the fact that RPG doesn't currently have a move-corresponding type of opcode. Another very interesting feature is the concept of a code template. Templates have been defined for your RPG code (/free only, unfortunately) that allow you to quickly invoke set patterns of coding. But the really cool part of this is that you can write your own templates. I haven't done much of this yet, but I get the idea that it could be a real timesaver on certain things (like, say, initializing a subfile). With the coming integration of SQL and /free I think we might see SQL templates as well.

I could go on and on. I just want you to realize exactly how much development time IBM is pouring into the RPG tooling of WDSC. There are features in the RPG LPEX editor that don't even exist yet in the Java editor; that's pretty impressive, considering how integral Java is to the Eclipse/WDSC product line. When I said there was nothing new in WDSC6, that didn't mean that there's nothing in WDSC for RPG programmers. On the contrary, WDSC is fast becoming the tool of choice for RPG development, and I expect to see more features in the future.

But It's Not Just the Tools

You still might not be convinced. You might be skeptical of the whole WDSC thing, seeing it as yet another plot to derail the purity of the iSeries (or do you still say AS/400?) development experience. Just another fat, bloated PC product that requires a $2000 PC just to run--it's not lost on you that WDSC runs only on Windows. What's up with that? Isn't IBM all about Linux?

So let's leave WDSC out of the equation for now. At this point, the Java devotees in particular start in on the fact that RPG is old and tired. It's a "legacy" language and is entirely procedural (that last word often said with the same disdain one might use for the word "booger"). They say Java is evolving so quickly and RPG is fossilized. However, upon further review, we find that just isn't the case.

For example, up until the Tiger release, there hadn't been any serious syntactical changes to the Java language since it's inception. Instead, the vast majority of changes are either basic programming constructs like lists or some basic infrastructure stuff like security. Huge changes have been made over the years in the user interface portions of Java, all of which are all but meaningless to the primary use of Java in iSeries shops, which is Web development.

On the other hand, I managed to get some insights into the many changes in the RPG language over recent years from some of the folks who actually do the development on the RPG compiler. Barbara Morris and Gina Whitney revealed to me how the folks who actually bring you the RPG compiler feel about their baby.

SQL Precompiler

This is Gina's particular area of expertise, and I thought I'd bring it up first because the poor precompiler is oft-maligned but rarely praised. That's probably because it's like the electric company: We only notice it when it doesn't work. The vast majority of us simply flip the type to SQLRPGLE, add a couple of /EXEC SQL statements, and away we go. It's not until something falls over that we even notice the precompiler, and the fact is that a whole lot of magic goes on under the covers, and more is being added every day. Here are just some of the recent features:

One of the problems with the various SQL compile commands was keeping up with all the parameters that were added to the corresponding non-SQL compile command. Adding those to the myriad of SQL options (things like ANSI compliance or commitment control level), the number of parameters was becoming pretty unwieldy. The way around it was to provide a parameter COMPILEOPT, which allows you to specify any base compile options. This is a great addition. Others include the RPGPPOPT, which allows you to control when the RPG compiler is used to process conditional compilation, and the support that has been added for qualified data structures, array data structures, and the LIKEDS keyword. There are restrictions, but this level of continued support is really quite welcome, and it belies the idea that RPG is dead. In fact, in an effort to be even more friendly to "outside" users, the precompiler now provides alternate names for the SQLCA data structure that better correspond to non-iSeries standards.

Finally, some of you may have heard that embedded SQL will be working with /free. I've heard little bits and pieces from people who claim to be in the know. Well, here's the real scoop, straight from the source:

"Each SQL statement must begin with EXEC SQL and end with a semicolon (;). The EXEC SQL keywords must be on one line. The remaining part of the SQL statement can be on more than one line. Example: An UPDATE statement coded in free-form might be coded in the following way:

EXEC SQL UPDATE DEPARTMENT
SET MGRNO = :MGR_NUM
WHERE DEPTNO = :INT_DEP;


Bracketed comments (/*...*/) are allowed within embedded SQL statements between positions 8 through 80 and whenever a blank is allowed, except between the keywords EXEC and SQL. Comments can span any number of lines. Single-line comments (//) can also be used. SQL statements can be contained on one or more lines. To continue an SQL statement across multiple lines, the SQL statement can be split wherever a blank is allowed. The plus sign (+) can be used to indicate a continuation of a string constant. The literal continues with the first nonblank character on the next line."

That is just hot, Gina! Many programmers will be singing your praises from this day forward!

RPG Compiler

But let's not forget the RPG compiler. The RPG compiler has undergone vast, fundamental changes over the years, especially over recent years. ILE RPG forever changed the character of the language, opening up possibilities that we could only dream of in prior incarnations of the language. The changes range from features that are so big you lose sight of them down to recent tweaks that just make life easier. Barbara gave me her take on many of those features.

Huge things include varying fields, which did nothing less than change the way we view string manipulation in RPG (how people did CGI without varying fields is beyond me). Qualified names (and long names in general) have moved RPG out of its cryptic past into a readable language in which the code helps document itself (please, though, don't use the word "self-documenting" unless you want to hear me rant for about an hour). Love 'em or hate 'em, /free calculations are here to stay, and they're a gigantic change to how we write RPG. The MONITOR opcode brings RPG error checking into the new millennium. And then there's that whole subprocedure/prototype thing.

Now that's a lot of change for a language. You might say that these things were all needed and maybe even late in coming, but that's not the issue at hand. We're talking about evolution, and RPG is doing it. In the same time frame, about the only fundamental change to the Java language has been the addition of generics. Hardly earth-shattering. And other than the shoehorning of the languages into the .NET paradigm (something IBM did much more elegantly and successfully with ILE), not much has happened in the Microsoft world either.

Personally, I would add the entire Java integration piece, including the recently added capability to dump the stack trace. RPG works together with Java better than any other language available to programmers today, which just reinforces the idea that the RPG/Java/JSP architecture is the next great programming paradigm.

And that's just the beginning. Barbara lists a number of other things, both past and present. Oldies but goodies include how SORTA sorts overlay arrays (one of my personal favorites). The indicator data structure helped remove our dependence on the old *IN syntax, while %dec(string), %editc, and %editw brought the power of RPG formatting into our little programming hands, letting us distance ourselves just a little bit more from the 5250. Finally, the (E) extender allows us to control our error handling, letting us be proactive rather than reactive.

Newer changes that made the list include things like %subarr (something that's been needed forever) and the date/time conversion capabilities of %dec. Many folks love the %kds and key field list extensions to the native I/O opcodes, while those of us who use FEOD should know about the FEOD(N) extender, which pushes the changes to the database without necessarily writing the records; tidy performance gains can be gotten there. The list is rounded out with data structure arrays and the *TRIM option on parameters.

Just looking at this list, it's inconceivable to me that someone could call RPG a dead language or make the claim that IBM does not consider it strategic. You can complain all you want that it's not taught in schools and it's not cross-platform and on and on and on, but the truth is that if you want a powerful, evolving language to build your business logic, there's nothing like RPG.

Joe Pluta is the founder and chief architect of Pluta Brothers Design, Inc. He has been working in the field since the late 1970s and has made a career of extending the IBM midrange, starting back in the days of the IBM System/3. Joe has used WebSphere extensively, especially as the base for PSC/400, the only product that can move your legacy systems to the Web using simple green-screen commands. Joe is also the author of E-Deployment: The Fastest Path to the Web, Eclipse: Step by Step, and WDSC: Step by Step. You can reach him at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .


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Discuss (18 posts)
David Abramowitz
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Nov 03 2005 17:26:00
This is a bit picayune, but the meaning of RPG was never to be a "Report Generator", but rather a "Program Generator". This initial use of RPG I, on the 360 (Not the S/36....I said 360 and I meant it) was to provide output from input. The cards that were fed in were far less verbose than any other language of the time, and generated a program object that would produce the results. In these days that was usually a report, so a "Report Program" was generated from the code, and it was the report program that in turn generated the report. <p>Dave
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J.Pluta
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Nov 03 2005 15:26:00
Actually, this is a feature paper done in conjunction with Databorough Limited on their X-Analysis product, which is an analysis and conversion tool. <p>I'm not saying anything bad about X-Analysis, but please don't hijack threads. In the words of Stephanie from Full House: "How Rude!". :) <p>Joe
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AndyC
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Nov 03 2005 12:20:00
A new redpaper has just been drafted which relates to the use of Java working together with RPG. <p>Here is the link to the redpaper: <p> <a href="http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/abstracts/redp4046.html">http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/abstracts/redp4046.html</a>?
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J.Pluta
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 19 2005 11:07:00
Hi Dale! <p>No, I'm not sure which magazines published the Chick's article. But more important I think is the recent announcement of iSeries sales. 25% growth! 3000 new customers! Yes, indeed, those who kept proclaiming the demise of the iSeries were a bit premature. <g> <p>Joe
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 19 2005 09:44:00
I think the key point here is to drop the baggage that comes with the letters RPG (REPORT PROGRAM GENERATOR). People don't want to get pass that. How can a "REPORT GENERATOR" language be used to create state of the art robust applications; is their question. You can spend hours and hours explaining that that was back in the 60's but that the latest RPG/free is not even close to it. Their come back is ..."but still RPG!".
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 14 2005 10:18:00
Joe, <p>I understand better now the point you were trying to make. No one is going to publicize their failures. <p>But I will point out again, there are lots of articles about companies throwing out 'legacy' systems and putting in wintel. When an article appears in the trade press, they want you to assume the project had completed successfully. Otherwise it would not appear in print. <p>The article about Chick's is good. Did it ever appear in Computerworld, Information week, Infoworld, Network Computing? (to list the names of trade rags I have sitting around). <p>---dale
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bharder@nlrha.ab.ca
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 12 2005 13:00:00
Good one David! <p>Could RPG be the /5th man of languages, secretly working to undermine the C/.NET/Java oligopoly? <p>Too bad the analogy breaks down when examined more closely. This thread has lots of interest.
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David Abramowitz
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 12 2005 07:38:00
Ralph, <BR>
If history is a guide then MI/5 would be a bad choice. <p>After a few years you will find that your MI/5 header records and key codes are really Unix statements and in some cases have left the program entirely for a different and opposing system. <p>:-) Dave
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Ralph Daugherty
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 12 2005 00:06:00
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The logical name for /free is RPG/5, but in the spirit of IBM changing names willy nilly (no, not /free willy, I won't even go there) ala AS/400/iseries/i5, I'll go with MI/5. <p> Then we can have some discussions about MI and security that I can understand. <p> Seriously though, DB2/PL is a good idea, but IBM would never let something from the AS/400 contaminate their cross-platform DB2 brand, unlike what they did to us to bury the AS/400 in their cross-platform Websphere branding. <p> rd
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J.Pluta
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 11 2005 09:00:00
Hey! I just got an idea! It will position the language perfectly, while at the same time perhaps even extending its appeal to outsiders: DB2/PL. It's a play on SQL/PL, and it stands for DB2 Processing Language. If you think about it, RPG really is THE language for DB2 processing. Okay, today it's DB2/400. But maybe someday it can be extended to DB2 on other platforms. <p>Heck, if your program's I/O is all embedded SQL, it could be ported today with jut a little work on Visual Age for RPG. <p>Wouldn't that be the way to go??? <p>Joe
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 11 2005 05:00:00
Can I be the first to start singing Gina's praises? <BR>
Those /free SQL statements look the business. <p>The horrible mess of compiler directives that are currently required to integrate /free and SQL are a serious bar to adoption of /free, certainly in my shop.
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 11 2005 04:55:00
IBM have already done some of this (just not very well marketed, as usual) <p>The NEW computer is the i5. <BR>
The NEW OS is i5/OS (which will never stick. Are they going to rename AIX to p5/OS? I don't think so...) <p>I'll never understand why they didn't at least rename to RPG/5 when they introduced /free. But perhaps they should now. After all, it would fit in nicely with the i5 branding. <p>Chris.
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 10 2005 15:47:00
Great ARTICLE !!!! <p>Here is my feedback: <p>....It is about time someone sticks up for RPG/Free. iSeries server and OS/400 <p>HOWEVER, it my view it must be done "Microsoft Style" i.e. presented like a NEW computer, NEW technology, NEW design, NEW OPERATING SYSTEM (..yes, go ahead and rename OS/400 while you are at it.), NEW PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE (..yes, go ahead and introduce it to the WORLD RPG/Free with a NEW NAME. (Most people outside the RPG community have only seen RPG as a footnote to the words "legacy/fix-format/archaic/report writer" along with a sample code dating to RPG 0.5.) When presented with new coding in free format the worst that can happen is that it is compare to legacy BASIC. ...whoops BASIC is not legacy since it is used by Msoft.) <p>.............It is not about the best product........it is about the best MARKETING !!!!! <p>..This is just my humble opinion
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M.Savino
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 10 2005 13:49:00
The Original by Dr Hook & the Medicine Show was always one of my favorites..... You've Heard the original, Right?? How's the Poison Version stack up ??
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J.Pluta
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 10 2005 13:49:00
Dale, I'm not sure what you're taking issue to. I really wasn't talking about Wintel being replaced by iSeries. That's a completely different topic. I'm simply remarking that although there were tons of stories, both reported and through the grapevine, about the iSeries being tossed in favor of a Wintel solution, there have been very few stories about any SUCCESSFUL conversions of this type. <p>My point is that you'd think that if one of these companies that's so busy hyping platform independence or proclaiming the death of RPG actually HAD a successful conversion, they'd be shouting it to the rafters, and yet you hear no such thing. And since there were dozens (maybe hundreds?) of these conversions being hyped over the last decade, that implies that they are either still going on, or have quietly been abandoned. <p>In either case, you aren't going to hear about <i>that</i> in the trade rags, because it means that somebody screwed up bigtime. Even after they see the light, nobody want to admit they were praising the Emperor while he was nekkid. <p>As to Wintel being replaced by iSeries, right now I don't think there are that many stories. Part of that is because there just aren't that many Wintel boxes doing what the iSeries does, and another part is that Microsoft is the IBM of the new millenium: right now, you can't get fired for buying Microsoft. But that is a-changin', and as it does, you should see some stories. And for that, how about this story (the URL is quite ironic): <p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354993/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354993/</a> <p>(This is a little bit of a teaser; they really just consolidated a bunch of Windows boxes into an iSeries rack, but still...) <p>Joe <p>P.S. All said and done, though, Dale, IBM should still be pushing more press on the iSeries. But I think we're going to see that in the next 12 months. Let's watch, shall we?
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Guest.Visitor
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 10 2005 13:01:00
Joe wrote: <p>"Remember back in the late '90s when all we heard was that vast numbers of companies were tossing out their IBM midranges and migrating from RPG to Java or some other architecture? Isn't it odd that we haven't heard a corresponding number of success stories? You'd think that companies (or at least their migration vendors) would talk up the great success and terrific cost-savings of these ventures, and yet we're not hearing such stories. In fact, I don't remember the last successful conversion I heard of." <p>I take some issue with this, because I still read articles in trade journals of businesses replace, old, legacy as400 systems with the latest and greatest. <p>I have NOT read anything recently where microsoft/wintel was tossed and Iseries installed. <p>Ok, so we probably don't read the same things, and what you have written is likely true, I still don't see lots of AS400 success stories in the non IBM trade journals. <p>I'd sure like to believe that RPG will be around for a long time. <p>Maybe when I retire I can do part time consulting, keeping all that RPG code running.
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rcardin
Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
Oct 10 2005 10:02:00
And we keep gettin’ richer, <BR>
But we can’t get our picture <BR>
On the cover of the rolling stone ... <BR>
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Weaving WebSphere: RPG in WDSC6 and Beyond
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