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    Joe baited: "Being civil to you was an experiment that failed." Ah, yes, the ultimate display in civility! "Joe Pluta" wrote in message news:6ae8c09e.19@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > "If pointing out your emotions on a reply is considered uncivil then I > guess I'm in an intolerant forum." > > You can attempt to hide behind "intolerance", but nobody has a duty to tolerate boorishness. "Joe bragged" is not an emotion, it's simply you being confrontational. And other than this reply, I'm no longer taking the bait. Being civil to you was an experiment that failed. > > Joe

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  • J.Pluta
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    You too, David! Heck, this was actually stress relieving. Now I'm headed to the in-laws . Joyeaux Noel! Joe

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  • J.Pluta
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    I've mentioned to a few people that I thought this might be a very interesting year for software. I know a LOT of systems have been put in in the last year, and a lot of them are networked and/or web-based B2B and C2B systems. Many of them were put in on "low cost" hardware, like Windows-based server farms. Some of the newest technologies such as .NET and J2EE have been used, as well as some of the newest application development methodologies, like extreme programming. It's my - well, I think prediction is too strong a word, but perhaps my hunch - that we're going to see that some of these combinations of new technology, new methodology and cheap hardware won't quite scale as they might need to. One thing about midrange applications - if you needed more horsepower, it was always just a matter of throwing more hardware at the problem. Green screen applications almost by definition scaled as high as you needed them to go. But I'm already seeing cases of these newer technologies not working quite so well. I was at a local chain retailer of sporting goods apparel, and their entire POS system was down. They were reduced to taking orders by hand with calculators, and they had to turn away credit card customers. It was looking pretty ugly. And just tonight I was about to buy a 19" LCD monitor for my mom, and the Dell site told me it was too busy to take my order. I ended up going to PC Connection, and Dell lost a hefty sale. It's the week before Christmas, and you don't have enough horsepower for your online sales site? This strikes me as a pretty major flaw in your infrastructure. My guess is that I'm not the only one seeing this kind of thing. So I'd be interested to see what you all see. Watch your websites - are they acting normally? See how your retailers are doing - are they having "computer problems"? I'll be interested to hear any notes from the field. Joe

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  • David Abramowitz
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    Joe and Chuck, Did you guys know that stress may be defined as "The inability to choke the daylights out of some jerk who so richly deserves it!" Now that you know, I'd like to wish you and all the contributors, editors, management, etc. the most relaxing of holidays; the most peaceful of times; the greatest prosperity for the coming year; and solutions to your most nagging problems. And to all a good night, Dave

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  • J.Pluta
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    "If pointing out your emotions on a reply is considered uncivil then I guess I'm in an intolerant forum." You can attempt to hide behind "intolerance", but nobody has a duty to tolerate boorishness. "Joe bragged" is not an emotion, it's simply you being confrontational. And other than this reply, I'm no longer taking the bait. Being civil to you was an experiment that failed. Joe

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    Joe politely stated: "People need to start being civil, and that includes avoiding obviously derogatory editorial comments and sticking to facts." While I contend that my editorializing was not derogatory, just reflecting how I saw the originator's post, I must conclude that if it's only facts that is wanted then "Shooting the breeze" is probably the wrong forum. If I stated "Joe bragged" or "Joe complained" then that's exactly the way I saw it. If pointing out your emotions on a reply is considered uncivil then I guess I'm in an intolerant forum. Correct me if I'm wrong but I understood this forum to be the place to state opinion, editorialize and discuss controversial subjects. It shouldn't be a mirror where everyone just nods and agrees. That only happens in Mayberry, NC. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.

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  • J.Pluta
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    Kim... just to be clear here. I am not apologizing for my statements. My response was to the techniques Chuck employs to bait people. For example, when quoting me, he will use phrases like "Joe bragged" or "Joe complained". That's what provoked my ire here - the fact that it's impossible to keep a civil conversation going with Chuck. And that's why I've chosen to no longer to respond to him. However, if someone else were to do those same things, I would again object. If you don't like the fact that I'm trying to keep some decorum here, that's okay, but I'm not going to change. People need to start being civil, and that includes avoiding obviously derogatory editorial comments and sticking to facts. That's a great New Year's Resolution for everyone, myself included. Merry Christmas! Joe

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    Cool. I've always enjoyed reading yours and David's postings...until today. You have a nice holiday. Oh, and by the way....I'm pasionate about these system too.

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  • J.Pluta
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    Merry Christmas, Kim! We dropped the conversation two days ago. It's cool. Joe

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    It's the holidays...relax. This is beginning to look like a "Chat Room' instead of a Forum to share information and ideas. I'm all for..."Agree to Disagree". Happy Holidays to all!

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    Joe stated: "If you couldn't take the time to reread your last three messages to find the reference" I think you misunderstood me. I use a newsgroup reader to read/reply to messages on this forum. By default when I reply to a message it includes the original "subject" and entire original message/thread in the reply. I parse down the original message to make it easer to read. When I use the newsreader to read messages in a given forum by default it shows none of the previous posts, only new ones. When you post a message using web browser on the MC site the browser program that MC uses doesn't copy the "subject" nor does it copy any of the original message. (Shame on them.) So, if you change the subject and don't post any of the previous message then the message is ambiguous and doesn't belong to a thread. It just sits there on it's own and makes no contextual sense. So, telling me to go reread the previous messages isn't the answer since your message is all by it's lonesome. That's what I meant by an ambiguous message. You changed the topic to "Let's keep track" and I wasn't sure if you were referring to "terrorists" or "iSeries" topics. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "Joe Pluta" wrote in message news:6ae8c09e.12@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > "very hard to understand the ambiguous message you posted below." > > Chuck, you used the phrases "Joe complained" and "Joe bragged". I objected to them as being uncivil, and said "I was neither bragging nor complaining, simply stating facts". If you couldn't take the time to reread your last three messages to find the reference, then I no longer have the time to reply to you. > > I really tried, Chuck. > > Joe

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  • J.Pluta
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    "very hard to understand the ambiguous message you posted below." Chuck, you used the phrases "Joe complained" and "Joe bragged". I objected to them as being uncivil, and said "I was neither bragging nor complaining, simply stating facts". If you couldn't take the time to reread your last three messages to find the reference, then I no longer have the time to reply to you. I really tried, Chuck. Joe

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    Daniel stated: "The iSeries is a wonderful database machine. In my opinion, it has no equal." Agreed! We use the AS/400 as the one known "truth" when it comes to data within our company. Daniel stated: "But why not let another platform provide the graphical front end? Let the Microsoft guys code that. The Intel platform is great at GUI. The iSeries is great at database and batch. Let's use it for what it's good at." Actually, I believe GUI is wonderful for everything. We use WebSmart (by BCD) for new development internally. We host up web pages to our internal users as it's a great metaphor that requires less training and we can do things that are hard to do in a green screen environment. However, it's not something I'd give to 35,000 users per day. Our web developers use a .NET tool by HiT to access our AS/400 data directly and it works just fine for them. They get subsecond response time and can develop in a more natural environment. Also, it's a lot easier to find web developers that know .NET than know iSeries or Websphere. Daniel said: "(Boy, in another thread I decide you're not worth talking to anymore, and now, immediately afterwards, I'm agreeing with you.) " Life does have it's weird twists and turns, eh? chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.

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  • dacust
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    I agree, Chuck. The iSeries can't do everything, and it sometimes annoys me that IBM gives in and adds features to try to make it do ALL. The iSeries is a wonderful database machine. In my opinion, it has no equal. But why not let another platform provide the graphical front end? Let the Microsoft guys code that. The Intel platform is great at GUI. The iSeries is great at database and batch. Let's use it for what it's good at. (Boy, in another thread I decide you're not worth talking to anymore, and now, immediately afterwards, I'm agreeing with you.)

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    Joe, Since you must be using the web browser to post the note below and you changed the title I'm not sure exactly what thread you're responding to. And, since you didn't post any of my original message in your reply it makes it very hard to understand the ambiguous message you posted below. However, I'll take a stab at it. I think you are replying to the message you stated basically (I'm paraphrasing) "the iSeries is wonderful and can do all, no other platform can measure up." My basic response was, "bunk, other platforms can perform many things just nicely. Speak rationally and we can have a good discussion." Here's a summary: You have had a great experience with Websphere Express, I've had a bad experience with it. I've talked to a lot of people, many at COMMON, and more of those that I talk to are in my camp than yours. Don't get me wrong the iSeries is a wonderful platform. It just can't do it all effectively. It's a tool, just like my power drill, not a religion. I always use the best tools whenever possible when making business decisions. I take the religious issues out. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "Joe Pluta" wrote in message news:6ae8c09e.7@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > Hey Chuck? Thanks for your input. However, if you're unable to reduce the purposely inflammatory editorial comments, I won't bother responding any more. I know your natural behavior is to bait people, but despite that in recent weeks I've tried to be civil with you and the lack of civility in return is unacceptable to me. I was neither bragging nor complaining, simply stating facts. I realize an apology is too much to ask, but if you are unable to suppress your need for unnecessary impolite commentary, please don't expect any further replies. > > Joe

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