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  • R.Daugherty
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    Alex, I'm not sure where in the thread they started suggesting the Chinese might be selling software here, but I rather doubt it. Most of the initiatives I've read about are for the Chinese to develop an open source Asian language version of OpenOffice running on Linux. Maybe some game development, but that has it's own protection. rd

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  • J.Pluta
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    You're absolutely right. If I vote against Bush in November, it will be because of jobs. I won't be voting "for" Kerry, since his position on jobs has been pretty abysmal, but clearly the Republican platform is invested heavily in the various free trade agreements, which I find deplorable. As to Japan's deficit, I go by percentages. Japan imports from us nearly half of what she exports to us. On a grand scale that's not good, but 2-1 is certainly better than China with it's nearly 6-1 ratio. What's really frightening is that we're running a trade deficit with just about every country in the world except Australia. I don't know how to even address that particular issue. Joe

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    Right, your company and others like my current employer that rigorously obey the American law will pay for the software. Others wont (including many companies I have worked for in the past). I believe China will see a lot of lost income from people not paying for their software. We shall see how they respond.

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    Alex, While the consumer may abandon the laws and copy software, most companies, like the one I work for, rigorously enforce licensing of software. So, the net effect will be that if we need software sold by China we'll pay for it. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "alexgarrison" wrote in message news:6aea955e.36@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > "They don't have to worry about us copying their software, they know our government will enforce the copyright laws on our citizens." > > You may be right Chuck. However, I dont think our DA's and police investigators around the country will be jumping to spend their budget protecting Chinese copyright laws. We shall see over the next year or so. > > Can China come over here and sue corporations that mass copy their stuff? Sure. I imagine that wont be the issue, tho. The average person will just copy any of the China software they want. Our govt wont care.

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  • dmjae2004@yahoo.com
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    I am not worried about Japan and Germany, I'm worried about India and China. Then I am sure you will find the rejection of enforcing section 421 of the Free Trade agreement troubling. U.S. President, Once Again, Rejects Import Sanctions Against China You may also have an opinion why/how China has a trade deficit with Japan. And if the US has such a huge trade deficit with Japan why that doesnt equally worry you. I think the Indian article Ain't Indians as good as the Yanks? has an interesting view including the quoted experience. .....was paying Indian programmers $3,500 a month against $10,000 for US programmers, the CEO found the difference in productivity to be six to one.

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    "They don't have to worry about us copying their software, they know our government will enforce the copyright laws on our citizens." You may be right Chuck. However, I dont think our DA's and police investigators around the country will be jumping to spend their budget protecting Chinese copyright laws. We shall see over the next year or so. Can China come over here and sue corporations that mass copy their stuff? Sure. I imagine that wont be the issue, tho. The average person will just copy any of the China software they want. Our govt wont care.

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  • J.Pluta
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    Dave said: "Read what I wrote ! What developed countries do you know that pay pennies an hour ?" You wrote "(both developed and underdeveloped)". I am not worried about Japan and Germany, I'm worried about India and China. Joe

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  • M.Savino
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    Joe wrote: "And yet a reliably reported scandal involving figures at the highest level of governments throughout the West receiving billions of dollars of kickbacks and contracts from Saddam Hussein goes almost unreported by the mainstream American video "news" organizations. Why is that?" Maybe it's the same reason that Walter Duranty ignored the genocidal Ukraine famine of 32-33 under Stalin and the NY Times let him do it. Or minor Magazines like Reason had to break the story on Soviet Atrocities in Afghanistan before the major media outlets ever picked up on it. The same reason that the "Big Boys" never bothered to tell us what was going on under Pol Pot until a few million Cambodian peasants were slaughtered. Lemme spell it out..... A-G-E-N-D-A If you've been defending Socialism or Communism and telling people that what was going on in S.E. Asia was "Agrarian Reform", stories like that can be just a little embarrising. And if you're current world view is that no Sovereign Nation should even be able to use the Rest Room without U.N. or "International" approval, you've really gotta eat some Humble Pie when a story like this surfaces. Do ya think you'll ever see a Headline in the Times that reads: "U.N. Thugs Accept Blood Money"..... kinda doubt it. PS-- to be fair, the NY Times very recently acknowledged problems with Duranty's reporting. Only took 'em 70 years.

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  • dmjae2004@yahoo.com
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    Bob, I did not think China was a developed country. By developed countries I am looking at those such as those in Western Europe, Japan, USA. While the minimum wage is important you also need to take into account the spending power in that country. For example I would not suggest that since the US minimum wage is $5.15 and the English minimum wage is approx $9 that the English place additional restrictions on US trade. P.S. I dont believe the quoted China figures are 100% correct since the minimum wage is specified as monthly and the law represents this monthly wage is based on a 40 hour week with overtime paid for additional hours. Although not all employers meet their legal obligations.

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    Your information came from a website that claims: "Does President George Bush actually work for al-Qa'ida?" chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "bobtheplanet" wrote in message news:6aea955e.31@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > $0.31: The legal hourly minimum wage in China > $0.23: Average hourly wage at 15 Chinese factories making clothing, shoes, and handbags to be sold at U.S. Wal-Mart stores, 2001 > 73: Average number of hours worked per week by employees at those 15 factories > FROM > Turning People into Profits > Wal-Mart's Magic Numbers > By STAN COX > <http://www.counterpunch.org/cox04202004.html>

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    $0.31: The legal hourly minimum wage in China $0.23: Average hourly wage at 15 Chinese factories making clothing, shoes, and handbags to be sold at U.S. Wal-Mart stores, 2001 73: Average number of hours worked per week by employees at those 15 factories FROM Turning People into Profits Wal-Mart's Magic Numbers By STAN COX http://www.counterpunch.org/cox04202004.html

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  • J.Pluta
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    "You have an amazing lack of ability to appreciate or accomodate other people's values or opinions." Not unless they're based on facts. Joe

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  • David Abramowitz
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    Chuck Ackerman asked: Do you put so little reasoning into writing of books?. Gentlemen, This has gotten way out of hand. One should know and understand the difference between attacking an arguement, and attacking the individual. AND I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT! FWIW, Joe's books are pretty damn good. I tell ya what. You guys come to NY, and the beer is on me. Dave

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    Joe said: "But the really annoying part is that you didn't even bother to do the thirty seconds of analysis required to type "owned by Walmart" into Google," I didn't need to, I knew you would. Joe said: "instead lofting in your factually baseless opinion that Walmart was not a conglomerate. That's what was unsubstantiated." Joe, you're a funny guy. I know you don't mean to be but you are! If you read my comment, which I purposely posted a second time (and now will post for a third time) you'll see that I offered no opinion at all! I only asked a question. Here's what Chuck said: "Is Wal-Mart a conglomerate? I didn't know that. What other companies does Wal-Mart own?" Somehow you read that question twice, and now a third time, and felt that I was voicing an opinion. Do you put so little reasoning into writing of books? Joe claimed: "And since you've wasted my time not once but TWICE with your lack of intellectual rigor, I'll go back to avoiding comment on your posts." Ignore all you want. I agree with the "lack of intellectual rigor" but disagree on who propogates it. I don't know why you take this all so personally when it is I who should be offended! But, alas, I'm not. I have a thick skin. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.

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    Joe said: "I care that countries that compete for American jobs provide their workers with the same standard of living we have." Ah, yes. America the gatekeeper of the world. Is it any wonder the rest of the world hates us? chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.

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