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Tell me, Ralph, what other forum than "shooting the breeze" would be appropriate? chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "Ralph Daugherty" wrote in message news:1e53b24e.0@WebX.WawyahGHajS... IBM should be and will be held to the same standards as M$. Are there any third party tools for the AS/400 that will be replaced with built in features of V5R1? ASC systems management software? Could someone elaborate on that and the 5.1 replacement functionality? To do justice to the injustices that M$ has unleashed on the software industry would require a good deal of time and a different forum. The methods they've used to destroy software companies are a great deal more than bundling free replacements in the OS. In fact, probably as you mentioned only Stac and Netscape were dealt with that way. They're so greedy they only give stuff away as a last resort. Ralph