The New iSeries Pricing System--A Closer Look

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I am currently using an 820 with 1 processor with feature 1521. This gives me 1100 CPW with 35 interactive. I need to add another processor. Before I could have simply added another processor to give me 2 total and had 2350 CPW and still been in software tier 20. Now an upgrade to an 825 would not only force me into the P30 software tier but would also force me to pay for the enterprise edition to get any interactive. (does this sound acceptable?) Or I could upgrade to an 810 2way and stay in the P20 software tier. This sound good except for one thing. There is no upgrade path from the 810 to any of the other new servers. If I needed a better system in the future I could not upgrade the 810. Maybe I could downgrade to an 820 and then upgrade to an 825. Of course IBM probably wouldn't allow that. (does this sound acceptable?) I hear that IBM said that 90% of customers should benefit by upgrading to the new servers. I am happy for the 90% of you. I am happy that the new pricing is simpler. I am just not happy that I think I am part of the 10% of unlucky customers that will not benefit this time. Unless of course the new prices are extremely low.

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I didn't hear anything about 90% being happy. All I read was the quote in one of the "other publications" that IBM said: "In addition to making pricing much less confusing, this new pricing structure drastically cuts many prices, by as much as 80 percent, IBM says. If you just use a small amount of CPW for 5250 workloads, moving to the Enterprise Edition would likely end up costing you more. But if you use a lot of interactive processing, the savings start adding up." What kind of price savings gives some people an 80% break, while costing other people MORE? And the one who will get the break are the people who can already afford the high-end interactive feature, it seems. This sounds very much like the interactive tax cuts are going to be given only to the rich. But the facts remain to be seen. You probably want to wait and see the announcement before you decide. My view is that IBM is telling you to web-enable NOW. Which is good news for my company, but it's going to be rough on everyone in your situation. Joe

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Actually it was last weeks article in which Lee Kroon stated, "However, the company has indicated that in more than 90% of all cases, customers will realize dramatic savings by purchasing or upgrading to the new models rather than existing models." We started out being web enabled. We never used RPG or Cobol. We are running 100% java and we use Websphere. However, developers and administrators still use 5250 interactive for just enough so that 35 CPW of interactive is nice to have. This is even being spread out over LPAR's so it isn't even that much. Now we have to give up this little bit of interactive that we need sometimes or pay alot for enterprise. It just seems that IBM is forcing everyone who actually uses the machine to buy the most amount of interactive. I like that the new plans are less complex but I liked having the freedom to choose only what we needed and save some money.

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briandrg wrote: > Or I could upgrade to an 810 2way and stay in the P20 software tier. > This sound good except for one thing. There is no upgrade path from > the 810 to any of the other new servers. If I needed a better system > in the future I could not upgrade the 810. Where is this documented? Bill

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It is in the IBM Hardware Announcement 103-002. Released on Jan 24th with prices. (I am not sure why everyone was waiting until the 28th for the prices, unless either the prices as stated were not official or IBM messed up and published them early by mistake.) IBM doesn't come out and say that there isn't an upgrade path. You have to look at all of the upgrade paths and notice that the 810's only upgrade to other 810's. There is no upgrade path to any other model. However the 820 will upgrade to and 825 which upgrades to an 870 which upgrades to an 890. Maybe there will be an upgrade path in the future but or you going to take that gamble? Also they say "Model 810 (1020 to 2700 CPW) replaces the largest Model 270s and most Model 820 processors." The 825 is to replace the 4way 820's. This seems to trap customers into the 810 box so that when they need to upgrade they have to buy a whole new machine. Follow this link for the document. http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_103-002

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It's very hard to get information out of the document with a quick read, but by carefully integrating the various tables, you get the following:

800	863	P05	(300)	2463	7400	Value	5137	0	5137
800	864	P05	(300)	2463	7400	Standard	5137	0	5137
800	865	P10	(950)	2464	7408	Advanced	19200	0	19200
810	866	P10	(1020)	2466	7407	Standard	10000	0	10000
810	866	P10	(1020)	2466	7409	Enterprise	10000	68000	78000	680
810	867	P10	(1470)	2467	7410	Standard	16000	2000	18000
810	867	P10	(1470)	2467	7412	Enterprise	16000	104000	120000	567
810	869	P20	(2700)	2469	7428	Standard	31000	4000	35000
810	869	P20	(2700)	2469	7430	Enterprise	31000	199000	230000	557
825	873	P30	(3600/6600)	2473	7416	Standard	70000	10000	80000
825	873	P30	(3600/6600)	2473	7418	Enterprise	70000	260000	330000	313
870	886	P40	(11500/20000)	2486	7419	Standard	300000	100000	400000
870	886	P40	(11500/20000)	2486	7421	Enterprise	300000	1030000	1330000	233
890	897	P50	(20000/29300)	2497	7422	Standard	800000	100000	900000
890	897	P50	(20000/29300)	2497	7424	Enterprise	800000	1170000	1970000	119
890	898	P50	(29300/37400)	2498	7425	Standard	1340000	100000	1440000
890	898	P50	(29300/37400)	2498	7427	Enterprise	1340000	1210000	2550000	77

The last column is the percent difference between the enterprise edition and the standard edition for the various tiers. You'll notice that this number drops as the size of the machine increases. So, while the P50 customer only pays a 77% premium for interactive capabilities, the P10 and P20 customer pay over 500%. This pretty well jives with my take that the interactive tax cut is weighted towards the rich. Joe