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    Bill wrote: "Heard this all before? Was this a letter about IBM and RPG? Nope, it's about Visual FoxPro and Microsoft." Gee, Microsoft killing off Foxpro with benign neglect? Do you know the story behind Microsoft and Foxpro, Bill? (I guess you do, you get an industry newsletter Foxpro was kicking the crap out of an amatuerish effort from Microsoft called Access, along with having a database language that was not helping Bill Gate's Basic efforts any. (I used Microsoft Basic and MASM in 1984-1986 to write my own database and network software that was the basis of the original Melita Electronics products which I also wrote, first for schools and cable companies but then an emergency notification system for nuclear plants that I first installed on a 4.77Mhz XT at Shoreham nuclear plant on Long Island, which finally satisfied the NRC enough to give LILO permission to fire up the plant, no small task given the fear on Long Island of a meltdown - mmmm, Basic on a 4.77 Mhz PC... imagine what we could do with Java on a 1.5 Ghz Pentium - but I digress - so I certainly have nothing against Basic). M$ liked Foxpro so much it bought the company, or to put it another way, Foxpro devised a bit mapped indexing scheme (Rushmore, I think) that would have left M$ in the dust, so they offered the founder so much he couldn't refuse. He was then pigeonholed in Redmond until he finally left and went home. M$ lifted the database engine, named it Jet and gave it to Access, put all their marbles in Visual Basic, and then sold Visual Foxpro to whoever was left that wanted to buy it. Gee, and they don't market it. Imagine that. While I'm in here, and speaking of marketing, IBM has a Linux package of Websphere, Domino, DB/2, and MQSeries which they say is free. I suppose this would allow an AS/400 shop to run all that software in a Linux partition on an iSeries. Maybe IBM likes that. I don't know. Ralph

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    It's the Marketing, Stupid!

    " ... which finally satisfied the NC enough to give LILO permission to fire up the plant, no small task given the fear on Long Island of a meltdown ... " I am from the area so I feel compelled to comment. The power supplier on Long Island and in parts of Queens (NYC) is called LILCO, not LILO. Long Island Lighting Company. And we had/have every reason to fear a nuclear power plant on one of the most densely populated islands in the world. It's less than comforting to hear (read) that the place ran on a PC.

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    • #3
      It's the Marketing, Stupid!

      I thought it *was* LILCO, Susan. Didn't they go bankrupt when the nuclear plant was never allowed to go online? And aren't New Yorkers facing blackouts this summer? But I didn't choose the location, and wasn't questioning concern from the Long Islanders. In fact, I was saying there was great concern that needed to be satisfied. The notification system brought in specialists in different areas based on the severity of the problem, and called area residents to evacuate. On the other hand, it was on a remote area at the end of the peninsula. If I was LILCO, I would have got approval of the plant before borrowing the money to build it. The New York area residents are still paying for the construction of the plant with higher utility bills. Gee, after 16 years I forgot the C in LILCO. Hope I'm doing that well in another 16 years.... Ralph

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      • #4
        It's the Marketing, Stupid!

        'course, there are people who think California and Long Island should be allowed to slide off into the ocean in the dark, if that's their desire. bobh

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        • #5
          It's the Marketing, Stupid!

          bobh wrote: "'course, there are people who think California and Long Island should be allowed to slide off into the ocean in the dark, if that's their desire." oooh, that's cold, Bob... Ralph

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          • #6
            It's the Marketing, Stupid!

            " ... I thought it *was* LILCO, Susan. Didn't they go bankrupt when the nuclear plant was never allowed to go online? ... " I know they claimed financial hardship all the time, but that's also to their advantage so they can raise rates. You put the time frame down as the mid 80's, and I know it was LILCO then because I lived there at that time. " ... And aren't New Yorkers facing blackouts this summer? ..." California is the place with the blackouts. If NYC has been hit with that as well, then no one has mentioned it to me and I was very recently up there visiting "kin folk". The lights were on in their houses, I can say that for sure.

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            • #7
              It's the Marketing, Stupid!

              financial hardships, blackouts, whatever it takes to raise the rates... There were warnings recently that the NY area may have blackouts this summer ala California, but they haven't had one yet. Hope your trip back to LI was good. I haven't been back there since '85 but I loved that Long Island accent... Ralph

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              • #8
                It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                Just some FYI here, After LILCO went bankrupt in the late 80's, the state (of NY) was forced to take over the utility. It is now called something else. When we were looking for a house, back in '86 -'87, we looked at Long Island, and saw some very nice houses for less money than the house we eventually bought. The reason we did not settle on L.I. was two fold. On Long Island there is only one direction in, and one direction out, and everyone travels in the same direction going to work, and the other direction returning. If there was to be a problem, you could never get very far on the Long Island Distressway - also known as the world's longest parking lot. The other reason was LILCO. We did not want to pay the highest rates in the nation (at that time) for anything. Dave

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                • #9
                  It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                  What would make you say that Bob?

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                  • #10
                    It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                    LILCO became LIPA Long Island Power Authority. We did get an approx 20% reduction in rates about <=2 yrs ago with the switch-over. What was irksome was a fought but legal "GOLDEN PARACHUTE" of mega millions to the LILCO chairman. Shameful in the least. Just for reference, my electric bills are approx $100 per 60 days. 2400 sq ft house, electric clothes dryer. Oil fired hotwater heat with electric circulators. Your mileage may vary. Also Blackouts Unlikely in NYC This Summer June 1, 2001 5:27 am NEW YORK (AP) -- The city's power supply will be just enough to spare New Yorkers from blackouts this summer, the Daily News reported Friday. New sources of power, combined with the restoration of old generators, will keep a "razor thin" electricity supply cushion for New York City, according to William Museler, president of the New York Independent System Operator. Museler told the News there won't be a repeat of the July 1999 Washington Heights blackout, which lasted 29 hours. "While no one can predict every eventuality, we are confident that the world-class reliability of New York's electric system can be maintained without any major disruptions this summer," Museler told the News. Museler made an exception for "extreme weather."

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                    • #11
                      It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                      cool. Thanks for the info, Phil. Funny how the blackout warnings make national news but the good news update didn't... Ralph

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                      • #12
                        It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                        Shock value sells. No one cares about all the little old ladies that crossed a busy street today to buy some apples. But if one happens to get run over....... Then again that probably happens a lot everyday. But it's not sensational enuf.

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                        • #13
                          It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                          Just for reference, my electric bills are approx $100 per 60 days. 2400 sq ft house, electric clothes dryer. Oil fired hotwater heat with electric circulators. Your mileage may vary. Ha! My house is smaller, probably about 1,800 sq feet, and in the summertime my electric bill is about $180 - $200 per month. My house is ALL electric, and it includes water and other city "services" on the one bill. But my house here in Dallas would have cost me almost 4x more money if it were located anywhere within a 2 hour commute to Manhattan. 'Ya win some, 'ya lose some, I guess. I was just up there, and it brought a smirk to my face to have to fork over (if my memory serves) a $7 toll to cross the Verrazano Bridge! Here I am not aware of any toll more than a buck. But the truth be known, I'd move back up north and/or east in a heartbeat .... it's worth it to me.

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                          • #14
                            It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                            Susan, I've spent some time in Dallas. Your housing costs etc are all relative to what part of Dallas. Same here on Long Island. Some areas the same exact house costs 2 to 3 times as in another area. And I don't mean the lower cost is in a "bad neighborhood". I live in the eastern portion of Long Island very near the water on the south shore. Beautiful area too. I work 40 minutes away. I wouldn't work in NYC - commute via trains is 2-plus hours each way. Downtown jobs add extra 20 to 30 minutes. However, my AS/400 COBOL salary is very close to NYC salaries and without the commute time. Bottom line, "it all depends". P.S. You paid that toll only one way. Other direction is FREE. Those 25cent and 50cent tolls every couple miles down in Dallas-FtWorth area are a pain too.

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                            • #15
                              It's the Marketing, Stupid!

                              Yes Phil, I agree it's all relative, however Dallas is still a LOT cheaper to live in than either NYC or Long Island. I was born and raised in NYC, with friends and relatives all over Long Island (still). I have lived in suburban Dallas for 13 years now, but I consider NYC my home and I probably always will. Housing is less expensive here for comparable houses on comparable size lots in comparable neighborhoods. And if you drive the Dallas North Tollway end to end, all the 40 cent tolls still would not add up to $7. But even still, if you don't want to pay the 40 cent tolls in Dallas, then there are lots of FREE alternate roads. Conversely, how can you get from Long Island to the mainland US (upstate NY, CT, PA, or NJ) without paying a toll? If you are getting a "city" wage out on the eastern end of The Island for AS/400 Cobol, please message me with a contact to send my resume to. Part of why I left the area is because I had to go to Manhattan to get a decent wage, and the 2 - 3 hours of train riding every day was killing me. If I could live and work on The Island, I'd be one happy lady! ... and all this is because Ralph brought up LILCO in his post!!!

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