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    I work for one of the largest casino companies in the world. We have 26 casinos, and in 18 months we will have over 50 (due to a pending acquisition). All of these are run from a series of centralized as400's hosting our critical casino floor management and back end software. The as400 isnt dead by any means. However, I havent seen a net growth in the number of our rpg programmers over the past 2 years. I do see us hiring more Java programmers. We even do significant Java deployments on the iseries. We are dedicated IBM customers. Most of our unix boxes are IBM. We use HATS, websphere, and db2. I mention this to show how we use the as400 and our trend away from RPG has nothing to do with preferring any other vendor. When people mention they are having to change careers cause they cant find RPG jobs, it matches what I see here. Those who stick with just rpg, in my opinion, are going to find a smaller and smaller pool of jobs. Last week I read a Gartner report dated Dec 2003 that pretty much said the same thing. The as400 is definitely still alive with 300,000+ active systems. However, they say only 25% of those are in shops that do active development. They say the as400 will remain a viable platform for another 5-10 years, however, they also indicate that coding rpg on the as400 is not a cost-effective option. When shops take this approach it is "...fundamentally, this is a decision to remain with a high cost solution." I understand one can find research reports that back almost any opinion, so take it for whatever its worth. If Joe Pluta will forgive me, take a look at him as an example. If Joe still only programmed in RPG, I wonder how employable he would be or if he would be a published book author? I see Bob Cozzi still makes a living writing rpg and writing about rpg, but Bob is, well, Bob. I am another case in point. From 89 to 94 I pretty much did straight RPG. After that I did a mixture of Java, RPG, and C++. In my case I believe moving to other languages has resulted in being more marketable, giving me some more choices of where to live and so forth.

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    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1014/p17s01-coop.html

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    As my hero, John Wooden points out, "It's impossible to antagonize and influence at the same time." chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. "Joe Wells" wrote in message news:6b17e452.17@WebX.WawyahGHajS... > "Condescending comments do not convince." > > Amen.

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    cdr5000 said: "Excel has become extremely powerful." In some ways that's true. But, like the machine it runs on, Excel is a personal language. It's impossible to have 1,000 users accessing and updating a single spreadsheet in real time simultaneously. So, while it's a great tool, it's only a tool, not a platform. chuck Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.

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    Ohhh...that was a good one.

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    David, you might want to take a gander at my column comin gup this Monday. It's on client/server architecture, but it's also a commentary on the phenomenon of "Technological Thuggery", which is related to the issue of anonymous trolling that you're touching on here. In general, the anonymous nature of the Internet allows people to give vent to their very worst personality traits, and that's why I tend to take anonymous or obviously pseudonymous posts a less seriously. Joe

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    Now, that's the approach that gets one to take the context seriously. Very well stated. It is difficult when the Notes, Network, and Sequel servers are down but it doesn't stop my company from financial and production processing. In all fairness to cdr5000, perhaps he works for a small company that can tolerate downtime. No apology necessary ;-)

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    Kim, OK, I apologize. I defended cdr5000. Silly me. You were right. cdr5000, There may not be much use for someone that only knows RPG, but I bet there's scads more jobs for someone only knowing RPG than there is for someone knowing only Excel. Like Kim, I use Excel, Access, Visio, Autocad, PSP, and I even have a reasonable amount of skill in using Notepad (though I miss edlin). But as much as I know those, they are just footnotes on my resume. RPG and iSeries skills are what drives my salary, not the little office tools I happen to know. -dan

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    cdr5000 wrote: It has nothing significant to differentiate it in a positive way. How about these bullet points:
      [*]A True 64 bit OS coupled with matching hardware.[*]Single level store architecture unmatched by even other IBM systems.[*]An integrated RDBMS at the hardware level.[*]A separate I/O Processor.[*]A secure object-based system impervious to virus attacks.[*]JAVA benchmarks better than Sun's.[*]etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.[/list]It's a good feeling to be able to kick a field goal from the sidelines, and wonder why the most negative comments are often made by people who won't list their name. Dave

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    You win? I seriously doubt it. You're game playing is extremely unprofessional. Therefore, it doesn't surprise me that your enamoured with excel. My primary job is working on the iSeries however, I use excel, access, notes (an so on) on a daily basis. Excel is not brain surgery so quit patting yourself on the back. I find it amusing you spend your valuable time in this forum....use your basic search engine knowledge to find yourself a wonderful Excel Forum. Ha Ha...

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    How many people can you insult in one post? You imply that phrases like "fussy" and "unprofessional" go hand-in-hand with RPG. As does "legacy". I see now why, in your own words, "all I had to look forward to was maintenance coding." It's probably because you don't know what RPG can do. For me, RPG means a wide range of things, from "asset protection" (yeah, that's legacy) to "efficiency", "speed", "innovation", "time to market" and a whole host of other great features. You might be forced to take Excel work rather than RPG work, but insulting RPG programmers is a pretty clear case of sour grapes. I mean really, if the best thing you can get out of this is yanking someone's chain, then maybe the list has outlived a useful purpose in your life. Final note: it's interesting; I can't remember the last time I saw a posting for a programming position that listed Excel as a skill. Joe P.S. The iSeries is still amazing. But only for programmers (and their end users ).

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    I had a big, long post ready to go that differentiated between a business application and a spreadsheet, and then I realized that CDR wasn't asking to be convinced, but was just content yanking my chain. Excel can't replace custom RPG code; they're two different tools for two different jobs. And if you can satisfy your IT needs with Excel, then you don't NEED an iSeries. There are companies that still suffice with calculators and pen and paper. But the fact that you can do something with pen and paper doesn't mean someone else won't do better with automation. Excel is a fine tool, I use it myself. And at the same time I'm not worried about it supplanting my clients' systems anytime soon . Joe

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    "Condescending comments do not convince." Amen.

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    Agree to disagree....I'm all for it. It's all in the approach on how seriously one will take comments. Condescending comments do not convince.

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  • dacust
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    Kim K said "Have a nice trip but...don't hurry back." Well, I understand your sentiment, but if we don't hear from the people who think differently from us we will only hear from people that think the same as we do. That's how a cult works. If we only talk to people who agree with us, any old argument will be met with agreement. If we talk to people who disagree, we have to have arguments that really work. If we convince them, then we are probably making sense. But more than that, it's necessary to make sure we aren't hiding our heads in the sand. I disagree with cdr, but I hope they'll stay in here and keep me thinking. -dan

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